Then I find out he's been doing some quote-unquote assassination research. It's right across from the Capitol, and she was a waitress. Q: Over the years, you've kept a pretty low profile. That catches you off guard when you just wake up. Marina and the 2 girls moved forward as Marina re- married and both girls grew up. They were born in 1960 and 1962one was named June Oswald. I would have liked for him to have his day in court.Q: Where do you stand today as far as your perception of what really happened out there in Dealey Plaza?A: I've never publicly said one way or the other for sure. By Mom was always overprotective of us. What do I tell them? For years, the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald has avoided cameras while she tries to live a quiet life in Rockwall, northeast of Dallas. But you have to understand that, aside from what role he had in the assassination, there's the issue of what role he had in our family. Hey Dixie! She discovered his true identity while sifting through newspaper clippings and mementos in the attic. Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald passed away on aft July 16, 2013. Q: One can't help but notice that you address him as "Lee.". But you know, just because you're hanging out with a weird group - they could have set him up, and he could have had no idea what was going on that day. Porter stands at a height of 5 ft 5 in (Approx. WebIn the show Quantum Leap (1989), there was an episode titled "Lee Harvey Oswald,", which was a 2-hour episode, and showed main character Sam Beckett (Scott Bakula) leaping into Oswald's life at various points of significance between 1957 and 1963, beginning in 1963 in Oswald's yard, where Marina is taking the famous photograph of So I never connected it as a big negative or anything. ), When commission members presented her with paperwork written in English by her husband, she recognized his handwriting but did not comprehend the words. Dixie DeaApril 28, 2004 in JFK Assassination Debate. Q: If someone was to ask you today who your father is, what would you say? She described Michiganders as like the weather crisp and cool. She made no mention of her young daughters, and said she could not provide any interviews because she had a pending book contract. People sent us money following the assassination, because Mom was young with two small children and didn't speak the language. Lee Harvey Oswalds youngest daughter, Rachel, was only one month old in 1963 when her father allegedly killed President Kennedy, and was shot to death himself. Twenty-eight years later, she granted this TV interview. Raised by her stepfather, Rachel Oswald Porter didnt know who her birth father was as a young child. Together, they had a son Mark Porter. Lee was illegitimate, and so was my mother. My husband couldn't have cared less. This was adapted from The Gunman and His Mother: Lee Harvey Oswald, Marguerite Oswald, and The Making of an Assassin by Steven Beschloss. And you know, it's not Lee's fault he got killed by Jack Ruby. It was hilarious.Q: If someone was to ask you today who your father is, what would you say? But in the shadow of this grim but stirring processionon that same MondayLee Harvey Oswald was quietly buried in Fort Worth, Texas. At the time of the assassination, she and other First Presbyterian members were starting their second year with Ernest Campbell as their minister. Bentley Historical Library, Vice President for Development records. A few months later the young family moved back to the United States. Cookie Policy She sat us down, with my stepbrother, and started to explain who our father was -- that it wasn't Kenneth -- and who Lee was and what he had done. While married to Lee Harvey Oswald, she gave birth to her firstborn daughter called June Lee on 15th I see Lee. He tried to after the arrest but everybody discounted it. Additionally, Porter told the commission she believed her husband was guilty of shooting President Kennedy on Nov. 22, 1963. Why have you started to speak out? Two days later, as authorities transferred him to a different jail, Oswald was gunned down by Jack Ruby, a Dallas nightclub owner. So he moved to Boston and wanted me to join him. Flash forward to June 1962, and Oswald was back in the States, this time with a Soviet wife and newborn daughter. Obviously, if I'd wanted to share that I would have told everyone a long time ago. And they say: "Oh, we can take pictures? So I called my staff in, a group of 10 or so, and I said: "Yes, that is me in the article. Now, the word father does mean Lee to me, But dad is Dad. Mostly I feel bad that Lee was never able to tell his story. She sat us down, with my stepbrother, and started to explain who our father was- that it wasn't Kenneth - and who Lee was and what he had done. Well, I was satisfied with my dad, so I've never felt this big need to connect with Lee or do the daughter-father thing.Q: One can't help but notice that you address him as "Lee. "We have to get the Government to move before it's too late.". A: I don't have any real memories of those ages. The assassination has also been a constant in the life of June Oswald Porter, the 33-year-old daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. The next memory I actually have is in second grade. Im just like everybody else, and Ive had more than enough.. But she was not too happy that I had found her and at that moment in time was not interested in. The first car was The National Enquirer. One of the latest authors to wade into the conspiracy waters is Norman Mailer, whose book "Oswald's Tale: An American Mystery" will be published next month. We didn't use the Oswald name, and it didn't come up a lot around the house except when reporters would call. He said he was frankly surprised at her command of English. Lee Harvey Oswald in custody on Nov. 22, 1963. WebMarina Nikolayevna Oswald had two daughters, a 21-month-old toddler and an infant born just five weeks before the assassination. Or are we going to provide help simply because here is a human being in trouble who desperately needs help?. Im sure Mrs. Oswald could conquer English in any school in America. If the truth can be found that shows Lee had nothing to do with the assassination, I would feel better in that there have been a lot of things said and done regarding my family that all proceeded from an erroneous perception of what he did or didn't do. I do blame him for having beat my mother, and not being a good father -- or a good provider. And there have been public hearings there and in Dallas and Boston. I don't think it's relevant to anything we do here and I appreciate you keeping it to yourself. Q: Do you worry about telling your children as they grow up? Judith Baker, author of "Me and Lee - How I came to know, love, and lose Lee Harvey Oswald," presents an article at a symposium on Sat. I tell her, "Rachel, for all we know, we could have been living in the streets." He tried to after the arrest but everybody discounted it. "She never knew when we'd run into someone, and she didn't want us to look like poor white trash"' June says simply. Q: Was any of this an issue in your marriage? But she did. Q: How old were you then?A: It would have been, like, first grade. I felt they manipulated her and made her look foolish. Dr. Ernest T. Campbell, welcomed the idea as the one thing we might do to partially redeem the tragedy.. I can tell you that I am very excited about the book in concept. I do remember that our phones were tapped. Are you able to maintain the same detachment when you see that?A: The first time I saw it I was very upset, but it gets to the point where it almost becomes unreal, this movie you're watching that has very little to do with you as a person. The Presidents were all around the walls in the rooms. He was 99. Rachel loved listening to that. For all of Oswalds notoriety, there was little reaction to her being on campus. She kept herself together for us. To avoid argument, the gravediggers were told they were digging a hole for William Bobo., As Secret Service, FBI agents, and a heavy police guard stood watch, seven newsmen serving asvolunteerpallbearers carried the pine coffin to the grave. Like she did a movie and it involved me and Rachel, and she didn't tell us first. In Dallas, Porter gave birth to a second daughter, Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald. But see, I'm matter-of-fact about a lot in my life. We always used my stepfather's name, Porter, growing up, even though we were never legally adopted. She is convinced that her phones are tapped by the Secret Service and the Secret Service wants to kill her. Just in recent years; but yes. I think she is out to make money than if she has to say he is guilty. Social justice drove Campbell, and he urged worshippers to engage with the world to right its wrongs. Jack Ruby, in full Jack L. Ruby, original name Jacob Rubenstein, (born March 25?, 1911, Chicago, Illinois, U.S.died January 3, 1967, Dallas, Texas), American nightclub owner who killed Lee Harvey Oswald, the suspected assassin of Pres. The first chapter opens with my family, and he goes way back to my great-grandmother in Russia. If the truth can be found that shows Lee had nothing to do with the assassination, I would feel better in that there have been a lot of things said and done regarding my family that all proceeded from an erroneous perception of what he did or didn't do. A: It has put certain strain on it. Oswalds wife Marina, two daughters, brother Robert and mother Marguerite were the only mourners. A Brief History of the Salem Witch Trials. See, this is the difference. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. "I do not think that she is a very sound thinking woman, and I think that part of the guilt is hers," she told the Warren Commission. WebDespite the fact that the later Warren Commission declared that Lee Harvey Oswald was the assassin of President Kennedy, and he acted alone, many conspiracies about the assassination abound to the present day. WebMarina met Lee Harvey Oswald (a former U.S. Marine who had defected to the Soviet Union) at a dance on March 17, 1961. The Gunman and His Mother: Lee Harvey Oswald, Marguerite Oswald, and the Making of an Assassin (Kindle Single), 2023 Smithsonian Magazine A: The last two years have been very stressful, because she started doing things that she hasn't let us know about, then all of a sudden I hear about it or see it on TV. It was one of many strange, discordant reactions that led many to question her sanity in the days and years aheadand to find the likely source of many of her sons problems. A: I think there definitely is circumstantial evidence that could imply he had something to do with it because of the characters he was hanging out with in New Orleans. Well, we're all waiting, and a car pulls up in the driveway, and Mom rushes out to greet these parents, and they happen to be a man and a woman, and they've got a camera, and she says: "Oh, you're gonna take pictures! She said she understood English better than she was able to speak the language. And we got to President Kennedy and I was told to go across the hall during that one. Marguerite Oswald had a series of bizarre reactions to her sons transgression, forever making her a famous mother to history. And then she was gone. The public was prohibited from Rose Hill Cemetery, But it was so funny because Mom talked to them for - I mean, nobody noticed that the date wasn't there! Nonetheless, during several interviews over the past year, she reports being content. Twenty Q: Your childhood doesn't sound like it was easy. Oswald was among 30 students in her English Language Institute course. That didn't set well with me. In my book she belongs where her husband is. Anyone can read what you share. A: The "second spirter," right. She thoroughly argued Oswald was medically mistreated after he was shot, presenting medical records that stated he was not given oxygen in the ambulance and was beat on his bullet wound to get him to confess. June is quieter about her own marriage, which ended in 1992. Raised by her stepfather, Rachel Oswald Porter didnt know who her birth father was as a young child. Oct. 19, 2013 at Loyola University in New Orleans. Before the year came to a close, the churchs leaders would invite Oswald to Ann Arbor and offer to host her while she studied at U-M. He said things when we were together like he really wanted to have children because "that would be the blood of Lee Harvey Oswald that was flowing through the kids.". Suddenly a widow at age 22, with two young children to raise, Marina Oswald seemed overwhelmed by the media maelstrom enveloping her. Q: I'm sure there must have been a lot of unusual incidents as you were growing up. Anyway, the only person I knew up there was Priscilla Johnson McMillan, who wrote my mother's book. ", Under the watch of the Secret Service, the grieving widow and her children stayed with Marguerite at the Inn of the Six Flags Motel outside Dallas. Marina was stunned by Marguerites aggressive publicity seeking and despised her incessant focus on money. And I realize that I'm kind of cold about it, so how do I tell them? My husband couldn't have cared less. Returned to the United States The Oswald family settled in Fort Worth, Texas. It's a little bit like opening a family album you didn't know existed before. Image: I answered every letter, rightly or wrongly feeling it the obligation of my ministry to do so. And I'm gonna be in Dallas, and I want to sing it to you. Before the casket was lowered, the lid was opened for the family to see Oswalds face one last time. And I realize that I'm kind of cold about it, so how do I tell them? He encouraged First Presbyterian members to maintain a vital balance between personal religion and constructive involvement in the ongoing life of the world.. Your email address will not be published. Church leaders had suggested to Oswald that she use an assumed name when coming to Ann Arbor, but she declined. WebHome in her husband's native Texas, life became difficult again for Marina Oswald. Mark Porter is the son of Porter together with her second husband Kenneth Jess Porter. A: It was unusual. So she became sort of a tourist attraction.Q: Your childhood doesn't sound like it was easy.A: Mom kept us together. Lee Harvey Oswald was the assassin of U.S. President John F. Kennedy. This is a digitized version of an article from The Timess print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. He challenged his church the oldest in Ann Arbor to be politically and socially relevant.. "A: I've always called him that. Just out of the blue. [3] They married six weeks later and had a Lee Harvey Oswald also was accused of killing Dallas police officer J.D. But you have to understand that, aside from what role he had in the assassination, there's the issue of what role he had in our family. An ELI official described her as an average student. Well, that's what Rachel wants to believe. The Presidents were all around the walls in the rooms. She was born on July 17, 1941, in Severodvinsk, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union. I move all the way up there, and his parents wouldn't even let us stay in his house because I was the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. Within weeks, donations topped $12,000 and by early 1964 would grow to $70,000 the equivalent of nearly $600,000 today. ", I said I appreciate it, but I really don't get involved in that. And she recalls her childhood as a "pretty happy" time, thanks in large part to her stepfather. Q: Give me an example of what you'd consider harassment, A: When I was pregnant with my first, some lady got my phone number and called in the middle of the night. The other thing is, you just worry genealogically: Lee was illegitimate, and so was my mother. I know some people can remember vividly like it was yesterday, but I don't do that -- even about yesterday. I had already written a letter to President Clinton to try to make sure he would appoint this review board from the Bush legislation to review assassination records, and to release those records. "I have nothing and I survive. But she did. It made no mention of his brothers infamous place in history. She managed to evade the media upon arriving (She slipped into our community at night by train while a battery of reporters were waiting hawkishly at the airport, Campbell said), but photographers were waiting when she stepped onto campus the morning of January 5 for ELI orientation. She later moved to Minsk to live with her uncle Ilya Prusakov, a colonel in the Soviet Ministry of Internal Affairs, and to study pharmacy. The strongest reaction to Oswalds enrollment came from the people who were sponsoring her visit: the 2,300-member congregation of First Presbyterian Church. Oswald. The way I finally woke up was, one night he said, "I'm gonna sell an article to Penthouse or Playboy" -- I forget which -- "and it's about your mother. They first met last April in Washington. A: No. Even an intended compliment could hold hidden barbs - as when a male co-worker remarked on June's resemblance to "a young Marina Oswald," then immediately apologized, saying he "didn't mean to insult her" by invoking the infamous name. Q: But are you comfortable with the fact that Lee Oswald played at least some role? She looks just like her father, with her mother's eyes. At U-M, she would join 29 international students from Mexico, Israel, Greece, the Dominican Republic and elsewhere hoping to improve their English. Q: Do you and Rachel argue much about this?A: Yes. Is David Lifton still working on a book about Lee? If she were in contact with my children nowI do not want her to cripple them.". People sent us money following the assassination, because Mom was young with two small children and didn't speak the language. Oh great!". There are a lot of assassination buffs who have analyzed all the technical data and the other available material and even they don't agree about what happened. She had been in the United States all of 17 Baker said the city of New Orleans, where Oswald was born, was central to their relationship. Tippit as authorities closed in on him in the hours after Kennedy was shot. And she said, "June Oswald?" Q: Do you worry about telling your children as they grow up?A: I do. I don't know if I could've done it and kept my sanity: two small children, don't speak the language, dirt poor, everybody in the country pointing their finger at you -- hating you in some cases. But anonymity exacted a curious price of its own, as June faced myriad graceless references to her father, mother and family. Oswald's girlfriend offers variation on JFK assassination. Nonetheless, during several interviews over the past she reports being content. So she became a sort of tourist attraction. So this little boy she was going with, his parents were going to come get her and they were going to go to the dance. I'm convinced that your mother and Priscilla had a sexual relationship." Rachel felt differently. Well, we're all waiting and a car pulls up in the driveway, and Mom rushes out to greet these parents, and they happen to be a man and a woman, and they've got a camera and she says, "Oh, you're gonna take pictures! Because that's mostly what I think of when I think of Lee. A: I don't have a comment on it as far as its conclusions because I haven't read them, but I did start the book. During college, Rachel supported herself at the Texas Chili Parlor in Austin. You have permission to edit this article. Q: Over the years, you've kept a pretty low profile. Tags: Assassination, Conspiracy, JFK, Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald, Marina Oswald, Television, L.D.C. Well, that's what Rachel wants to believe. I hung up the phone shaking my head at Marguerite Oswald's dizzying logic. She was born after her family moved to Dallas from Russia. For all I know it's still tapped. As Oswald was in her final weeks of campus, her name once again made news around the country. It's not a matter of being ashamed, it's a matter of wanting to be judged as June Oswald and not "the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald.". And I said, "Yes?" This is material I never would have known about insofar as my mother's side of the family, because my mother was illegitimate, you know. Copyright 2023 | WordPress Theme by MH Themes, List of States in the US, Alphabetical list of States in the U.S., and Abbreviation of States in United States. Moreover, Porter gave birth to her daughter, June Lee, on February 15, 1962. When my mother came on and this interview went so badly, I decided I really wanted to rebut. Jackie Kennedys pink dress. She wanted to know Lee; she wants lee to be a saint. We lived in poor housing, or were taken in by others. Lee Harvey Oswalds youngest daughter, Rachel, was only one month old in 1963 when her father allegedly killed President Kennedy, and was shot to death himself. I try to hold that in the back of my head. The Michigan Daily made no mention of her presence (We just dont think shes news, the editor said). Porter met Lee Harvey Oswald at a dance in March 1961 in Russia. So I called my staff in, a group of 10 or so, and I said: "Yes, that is me in the article. Upon entering public school, June took the surname of her stepfather, Kenneth Porter, who married Marina in 1965. There was a problem saving your notification. WebMarina Nikolayevna Oswald had two daughters, a 21-month-old toddler and an infant born just five weeks before the assassination. Some of you may not have read June (Oswald) Porter's 1995 interview and might find it of interest. Destructive 'Super Pigs' From Canada Threaten the Northern U.S. Did an Ancient Magnetic Field Reversal Cause Chaos for Life on Earth 42,000 Years Ago? Email notifications are only sent once a day, and only if there are new matching items. Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Oswald in 1963, as they prepared to leave Russia for the United States. I believe he's the first writer-researcher to get interviews with sources in the Russian Government and so this is an opportunity to shed new light on the subject from an area that has never been explored in any meaningful depth. I can't imagine the burden they've carried over the years, but I hope they have found some peace in their lives. Almost immediately, she began receiving offers of help money, clothing, food, housing from around the country. I have a copy of an earlier interview with June from 1983. They first met last April in Washington. I just remember crying a lot because Mom was crying. by certain people in the critical communiity, so no wonder they are a bit gunshy. What do I tell them? I know some who wouldnt hesitate to try to make a mental case out of me, she told interviewer Jean Stafford. The assassination has also been a constant in the life of June Oswald Porter, the 33-year-old daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. Two Lutheran ministers had agreed to conduct the service at the request of the Reverend Louis Saunders, an interdenominational Christian minister. He beat my mother. Q: What are your thoughts on Norman Mailer's new book?A: I don't have a comment on it as far as its conclusions because I haven't read them, but I did start the book. I always feel torn by whether I'm required to tell somebody about my history. She no longer had reason to doubt her grandiose visions, her place in history. My first serious boyfriend -- that's what he was fascinated about. Mom accused me one day of being ashamed of who I was. I said I appreciate it, but I really don't get involved in that. Baker, who said she was a trained nurse, referred to the plot as a cancer research project. We lived in poor housing or were taken in by others. I know some people can remember vividly like it was yesterday, but I don't do that - even about yesterday. And she recalls her childhood as a "pretty happy" time, thanks in large part to her stepfather. In 1980 she was convinced by conspiracy buffs that the one in Harveys grave was a Russian spy and not Oswald. These women were left with a horrible legacy and have no doubt tried to separate their father from his legend- father as Lone Nut, a disgrace or Government worker and valiant spy, patsy? It would seem a perfect fit for Oswald. You are the hope for the future, Baker said. A: Something had come up where Mom had old boxes of letters out. Q: How are things between you and your mom these days? Not so with Oswald. And I said, "Yes?" She was struck by the plight of Marina Oswald, the young Russian wife of assassin Lee Harvey Oswald. We always had this really bad connection, and when you'd pick up the phone you'd hear that other click. I had a conversation like that with her in about 88. Do I need to be more compassionate' about it? The next memory I actually have is in second grade. An obituary in the Wichita Falls Times Record News reported the elder Oswald was 83 at the time of his death. Her coldness struck me. By the end of the year, however, she was ready to travel from Texas to become a student. Just in recent years; but yes. Anyway, the only person I knew up there was Priscilla Johnson McMillan, who wrote my mother's book. We were studying the Presidents. 1.65 m). They said it would depreciate the value of their home. So I sat across the hall in a time-out room. Marina Oswald was left a widow with two young daughters after her husband was killed by Jack Ruby. Another car pulls up -- and that's the parents and the little boy. There's a lot of genetic things you can't even control that are inborn in your kids.Q: How are things between you and your mom these days?A: The last two years have been very stressful, because she started doing things that she hasn't let us know about, then all of a sudden I hear about it or see it on TV. After her death from cancer on January 17, 1981, Marguerite Claverie Oswald was laid to rest in the Rose Hill Cemetery. She relied upon Russian interpreters during interviews with the Secret Service, FBI and the Warren Commission that investigated Kennedys assassination. Oswald was born in New Orleans, Louisiana, on October 18, 1939 to Robert Edward Lee Oswald, Sr. (18961939) and Marguerite Frances Claverie (19071981). Robert Oswald died of a heart attack two months before Lee was born. Rachel loved listening to that. Nope. In one test (conducted by CBS News), 13 people were able to duplicate his shots. Four of those people had never fired the Mannlicher Carbiner So I said, O.K, this is it. Almost immediately, she began receiving offers of help money, clothing, food, housing from around the country. She left town two days later, an alumna of Michigan. When money ran low, she sold a letter or document connected to Oswald or an article of his clothing. He was not a communisthe was a Marxist, Baker said, explaining that Oswald agreed with the theory of Marxism but did not participate in communist activities. During this time, Baker and Oswald became romantically involved, and Oswald gave her details of his defection to the USSR. She was pretty strong. She also said she watched Oswalds shooting by Jack Ruby two days later. they went on with their lives as the girls hardly knew their father and are not bothered by others He had been covering activities at the Dallas Police Department Building for KRLD and CBS News, standing no more than 11 feet from Oswald when he heard Jack Ruby's .38 revolver and saw Oswald fall. Marina Oswald remarried, had a son, and continues to live in Texas. Her two daughters fathered by Lee Oswald grew up to be attractive ladies and ar Porter has said that she came to believe that her husband Lee Harvey Oswald was innocent. Well, there's a travel guide she found out about that actually listed the Texas Chilli Parlor and said the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald worked there. Thanks for this. But you know, just because you're hanging out with a weird group -- they could have set him up, and he could have had no idea what was going on that day.Q: Did you ever take the so-called assassination tour?A: Not until recently. Rachel believes her father was involved in the. On November 25, 1963, the nations gaze was transfixed by the horse-drawn caisson and final burial of President John F. Kennedy. ", My biggest concern was that people at the office had my home address and phone number and I didn't want it leaked to The National Enquirer. "She never knew when we'd run into someone, and she didn't want us to look like poor white trash," June says simply. Others told us that our action was unwise, still others that it was unfair. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. Do I need to be more compassionate about it? He wasn't much of a husband, he wasn't much of a father. My boyfriend would sneak down to Priscilla's basement and read all her old files. 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